Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by shadowray7, Oct 5, 2015.
Since most of us here have Persona 5 I thought it was worth making a thread about.
I'm currently on the fifth palace. Made good progress on most of the confidants. I've got 5 knowledge and charm and four on the other stats. I'll try to recall progress I had for earlier palaces since I feel it's worth mentioning but didn't have a thread up for them at the time.
Spoiler: palace 3
Got 10 for Toranosuke Yoshida (politics guy), Makoto Niijima, Sadayo Kawakami, Caroline/Justine (got this later but felt it wasn't really spoilerish to mention at this point in the story) and am pretty high on the others.
I wish I had upgraded Sadayo earlier (I guess this is also advice to people earlier in the game). Her abilities are really helpful for saving time and give me the freetime to upgrade other confidant's and stats etc. I'm surprised by how much sessions it takes to rank up Sojiro in order to get what seem to be relatively mediocre rewards. Also, wish I had used my time more efficiently early on. I spent more days than necessary in the first palace and I used up too much time studying/in the coffee shop when I feel like I should have been doing confidants since they seem more important than stat upgrades. I also missed a lot of the Sunday drinks/plant fertilizing early on which are stat upgrades that only take up money and no time (time seems to be much more valuable in this game).
Awesome story and gameplay, overall a lot better than I was expecting. It seems like the phantom thieves are WAY too obvious about their meetings though. Talking about their exploits in public, over text messages, etc. No wonder Joker gets caught later.
My main two Persona at this point both repel physical and gun damage, which is super helpful. Only element I'm missing on them is bless. I have other personas to use bless so I suppose it's not a huge deal though.
Spoiler: palace 4 ending
Interesting change of pace/ending that we're changing someone's heart to help them instead of making them confess their crimes. Thought it was funny that Medjeb was built up so much just for Futaba to take them out in a single day. Makes me wonder if they were really going to take down the Japanese economy or had the power to do something like that in the first place.
Spoiler: palace 5 ending
I wasn't a fan of the Mona sidestory. Ryuji is inconsiderate and probably shouldn't have said Mona wasn't helpful, but Mona also overacted. I don't really like Haru Okumura all that much. I don't dislike her either, just nothing about her stands out to me as an interesting character. I never use her in battle and still haven't gotten around to unlocking her as a confidant. It seems like the only reason she's in the phantom thieves is because she's the daughter of bad guy from the palace 5 section and because Mona went rogue.
Another note, it sort of bugged me how quickly support for phantom thieves dropped after they killed burger CEO guy. Half of the comments on the site implied they wanted him dead anyway. Would it really alienate that many people if he died instead of confessing? Another sort of related note, I got a memetos to go after this hobo-assassin. He says he only kills bad people though. When phantom thieves confront him, he says it's hypocritical because we're basically outlaws too. He kind of has a point. Is changing people's hearts really all that worse than killing them? You're essentially killing off "who they were" by mind controlling them/forcing them to confess. Presumably, the people who confess sullenly live out in a jail cell for the rest of their life. It's not THAT much better than executing them. Ann even alluded to this during the first palace and explained its why she didn't want to kill Olympic guy's shadow. Then again, not saying I trust a hobo to decide who to let live or die either
Spoiler: Post palace 6 MAJOR spoiler
So the big baddie is Goro, the media person. Does it strike anyone else as too predictable? Prior to Goro joining I thought maybe it'd be Mona but he gave off a douchy vibe for a while. In addition to that, I noticed that he did not have any confident abilities past rank 6, which is a major red flag that he was leaving the party so there was no point in including them past rank 6. Though I guess it's not entirely a bad thing. It'd seem out of character at this point for any of the other main party characters to do it, except maybe Mona if you take into account these weird evil dreams.
Guess that thread is similar. I feel like just P5 alone has generated enough discussion to warrant its own thread, but most people are more invested in the chat. I guess it'd be fine to include this in that thread.
Spoiler: End of Palace 7 in Nov/Dec
Wait, so Akechi has the wild card? What?
7th palace ..."spoiler":
"You'll never see it coming (Unless you've played an RPG or are even a little familiar with Death Note)" Look up the term: "expy."
I found this list from a GameFAQs user named Zeruel. Seems to be accurate. Super useful trick to fuse the persona you need.
List of Persona to help
Basically, anything that can be obtained through normal fusion can be easily obtained from gems provided you have the right gem and a persona in that arcana. Normally, you have to average out their levels in order to fuse a persona, eg. if you want a level 20 persona, you'd have to fuse one with a base level of 10 with a base level of 30 (also some other chart that explains which arcana demon you'd get but I don't want to go into that)
Reveals list of gem/rare demons. Minor spoilers
+2: Emperor, Hermit
+1: Magician, Hierophant, Chariot, Justice, Fortune, Hanged Man, Death, Star, Sun
-1: Fool, Priestess, Empress, Lovers, Strength, Temperance, Tower, Moon, Judgment
+2: Empress, Moon
+1: Fool, Priestess, Lovers, Strength, Hanged Man, Temperance, Devil
-1: Magician, Emperor, Hierophant, Chariot, Justice, Hermit, Fortune, Death, Star, Sun, Judgment
Stone of Scone
+2: Magician, Fortune
+1: Emperor, Hierophant, Chariot, Death, Tower, Star, Moon, Judgment
-1: Fool, Priestess, Empress, Lovers, Justice, Hermit, Hanged Man, Temperance, Devil, Sun
+2: Priestess, Justice
+1: Fool, Empress, Lovers, Hermit, Strength, Death, Devil, Tower, Sun
-1: Magician, Emperor, Chariot, Fortune, Hanged Man, Temperance, Star, Moon, Judgment
+1: Magician, Priestess, Empress, Hierophant, Chariot, Justice, Hermit, Strength, Hanged Man, Temperance, Devil, Tower, Star, Moon, Sun, Judgment
-1: Fool, Emperor, Lovers, Death
+2: Hanged Man, Devil
+1: Magician, Empress, Emperor, Justice, Hermit, Strength, Temperance, Tower, Judgment
-1: Fool, Priestess, Hierophant, Lovers, Fortune, Death, Star, Moon, Sun
+2: Death, Sun
+1: Fool, Magician, Priestess, Emperor, Hermit, Fortune, Star
-1: Empress, Hierophant, Chariot, Justice, Strength, Hanged Man, Temperance, Devil, Tower, Moon, Judgment
+2: Fool, Temperance
+1: Magician, Priestess, Empress, Lovers, Justice, Death, Star, Sun
-1: Emperor, Hierophant, Chariot, Fortune, Strength, Hanged Man, Devil, Tower, Moon, Judgment
Here's a list of fool persona in order of level. If you had High Pixie and wanted to get Izanagi (up 1 rank), you'd fuse High Pixie with Queen's Necklace. If wanted Izanagi Picaro you'd simply resummon Queen's necklace and fuse again OR use Crystal Skull to skip Izanagi and go straight to Izanagi Picaro. Similarly, the -1 let you go down the chain.
16 High Pixie
23 Izanagi Picaro
29 Orpheus Picaro
I made a list of Persona sorted in order of most immunities. It seems like there's a lot you can do to change moves/stats so typing is the most important factor for battling. Gems excluded because they're unusable in battle.
LevelNameArcanaPhysicalGunFireIceElectricWindPsychicNuclearBlessCurseNullAbsorbRepelImmuneResistWeakness82ShivaJudgement---nurp-abwknunu31150167Black FrostFool--rpab---nu-rp11240082OdinEmperor----nuab--rprp11240048RangdaMagicianrprpnu-wk---wknu20240259TrumpeterJudgement---abrp---rpnu11240060MolochHanged Man--rpwkrsrsab--nu11132162ChernobogDeath-rswkabnu---wkrp11131244GirimehkalaMoonrprprs-----wknu10231173MaraTower-nuabwk----rsrp11131179YoshitsuneTowernu-rs-rp---rp-10231074AbaddonJudgementabab----wkwk-ab03030276KohryuHierophant----rp-wknunu-20130189MetatronJustice----wkrpabab-wk02130278RaphaelLovers---ab--nu-nu-21030021Shiki-OujiChariotnunu-----wk-nu30030181UrielJustice--nu----abrp-11130083VishnuFool--wkab----nunu21030139White RiderChariot--nuwk----nurp20130180Zaou-GongenStrength--rp-wk---nunu20130195SatanaelFoolrsrsrsrsrsrsrsrsnuab11028010RegentEmperorrsrsrsrsrsrswkwknunu20026275SandalphonMoonrsrs--rs---rpnu10123035ArahabakiHermitrprp----wkwkrsrs00222267Cu ChulainnStarrsrs--wkrp--nu-10122175Ongyo-KiHermitrsrs------rprp00222084ArdhaTemperancers--nunu-----20021068DominionJustice-wk-----rpnurs10121116KaguyaMoon--wk--rs--nunu20021177KaliEmpress--nu---rp--rs10121085MadaTower--abwk--rsnu--11021144Magatsu-IzanagiTower-rs-----wknunu20021148Magatsu-Izanagi PicaroTower-rs-----wknunu20021160MelchizedekJustice-----wkrs-abnu11021187MichaelJudgement-rs------rpnu10121039MithrasSunrs-ab---wknu--11021172MotDeath-rs--abwk---rp01121192SatanJudgement-rs-rp-----rp00221051SethTower--rp--nu--wkrs10121171ThroneJustice--ab----rsnuwk11021139UnicornHierophant---nu--rs-nuwk20021137AnubisJudgement--------nunu20020076Asura-OuSun--nu---wkrp--10120182AttisHanged Man--nu--rp---wk10120184BeelzebubDevil--ab-----wkrp01120163ForneusHierophant---abwk-nu---11020146FortunaFortune--nu-wknu----20020177GabrielTemperance------nu-ab-11020049HorusSun--wk-nu---rp-10120114InugamiHanged Man--nu--wk---nu20020126IsisPriestess------wk-nunu20020123Izanagi PicaroFool----nuwk---nu20020125Kaguya PicaroMoon--wk-----nunu20020136KaiwanStar-nu----nuwk--20020161King FrostEmperor---ab----nu-11020060LilithMoon--wkrp-----nu10120133MithraTemperance---nuwk---nu-20020180Mother HarlotEmpress----rp---wknu10120144OkuninushiEmperor----rpwknuwk--10120245ScathachPriestess---rp-----nu10120055SkadiPriestess---rp-----nu10120080SraoshaStar----ab---rpwk01120136ThothEmperor------wknunu-20020168VasukiHanged Man---nunu----wk20020181MessiahJudgement--rsrsrsrsrsrsrpwk00116190Messiah PicaroJudgement--rsrsrsrsrsrsrpwk00116138LegionFoolrsrsrs---rs-wknu10014175BaalEmperor--rs--ab--rsrs01013037BelphegorTower--wkrsrs--rs-rp00113129Black OozeMoonrsrs-rswk-wk-wknu10013313Ippon-DataraHermit--rswk-rp--rsrs00113130Neko ShogunStarrs---rswk--nurs10013164ThorChariotrs---ab-wk-rsrs01013179AliceDeath------rsrswkrp00112130AriadneFortune-rs----wknurs-10012142Ariadne PicaroFortune-rs----wknurs-10012156AsteriusFortune--rswk--rs--nu10012162Asterius PicaroFortune--rswk--rs--nu10012152BarongEmperor-rs--rswk--nuwk10012267BishamontenHierophant--abwk----rsrs01012159Black RiderTower--wkab----rsrs01012186Chi YouChariotrsrs----nuwk--10012132DecarabiaFoolwk-rp----rs-rs00112161DionysusFool----rp---rsrs00112025FlaurosDevil--nuwk-rs-rs--10012156Kurama TenguHermit---wk-rp--rsrs00112126LamiaEmpress-rs-wkrs----nu10012115MakamiTemperance----wkrs-rsnu-10012150NarcissusLovers--wk-nurs--rs-10012156ParvatiLovers---rp--rs-rswk00112116ShiisaaChariotrsrs------nuwk10012150TsukiyomiMoonrs------wkrsrp00112155Tsukiyomi PicaroMoonrs------wkrsrp00112112AngelJustice----rs---nuwk10011125AnzuHierophant-wk--rsrp-wk--00111258BaphometDevil--rs-----wknu1001119BerithHierophant-nurswk------10011149BugsFool------rswk-nu10011149ByakkoTemperance--wkab---wk-rs01011255CerberusChariot--abwk---rs--01011173CybelePriestess--rs-wk---nu-10011142DaisoujouHierophant-rs------nuwk10011122Feng HuangHierophant---rswknu----10011153GaneshaSunrs----abwk---01011152GarudaStar-wk---rs--rp-0011117GenbuTemperance---nuwk-rs---10011142HecatoncheirHanged Man-rs------wknu10011139Hell BikerDeath--rp--rs--wk-00111120IzanagiFool----rswk---nu10011140Kikuri-HimePriestess--wk--nu--rs-10011142KumbhandaHermit--nuwk-----rs10011134LachesisFortune---nuwkrs----10011132LilimDevil-wk-rs-wk--wknu10011333MothmanMoon-wk--nu-rs---10011162NebirosDevil------rs-wkrp00111152NornFortune---rs-ab----01011020NueMoon--wkrs-----nu10011166OberonEmperor----rs-nuwk--10011112OnmorakiMoon-wkrs-----wknu10011221OrthrusHanged Man--abwk---rs--01011142OseFool--rs-----wknu10011153Pale RiderDeath-----rs--wkrp00111143PazuzuDevil-----rs--wknu10011129PisacaDeath--wk-rs---wknu10011241PowerJustice-wk---rs--nuwk10011229PrincipalityJustice--rs-----nuwk10011143Queen MabMagician--nu-rswk----10011163QuetzalcoatlSun--nu--rswk---10011150SarasvatiPriestess---nurs--wk--10011169SiegfriedStrengthnu--rs---wk--1001117SuccubusMoon-wkrs-----wknu10011224Sui-KiMoon---abrs--wk--01011119SuzakuSun--abwk---rs--01011129Take-MinakataHanged Man----rp-wk--rs00111165ThanatosDeathrs-------wkrp00111169Thanatos PicaroDeathrs-------wkrp00111144ValkyrieStrength-rs------nu-10011064Yamata no OrochiJudgement---nu---wk-rs10011157YatagarasuSun-----rs--nuwk10011142YurlungurSun----nu-wk-rs-10011129Ame no UzumeLovers--ab---wk---01010143AnantaStar---abwk-----01010116ArchangelJustice----wk---nuwk10010239AtroposFortune--wk--nu----10010168BelialDevil---------nu10010028ChoronzonMagician--ab-----wk-01010126ClothoFortune---wk-nu-wk--10010223Fuu-KiStar----wkab----0101019Hua PoHanged Man-wkrpwk------00110285IshtarLovers----nuwk----10010111Jack FrostMagician--wknu------1001012Jack O'LanternMagician-wkabwk-wk----01010332JatayuTower-----abwk---01010142Kushinada-HimeLovers-------wkrp-00110119MatadorDeath----wknu----10010124NagaHermit----nuwk----10010155Raja NagaTemperance----nu-----10010041Red RiderTower--------wknu10010117SudamaHermit---wk-rp-wk--00110259SurtMagician--abwk------0101019KoropokkuruHermit-rswkrs-rs----00003124RakshasaStrengthrs-rs--wk--wkrs00003256TitaniaEmpress------wkrsrsrs0000313AgathionChariot-rs--rswk----00002116EligorEmperor-rsrs-wk-----00002164HanumanStar---wk--rs-rs-00002140HaritiEmpress-----wkrs-rs-00002116High PixieFool-wk--rsrs-wk--00002225JikokutenTemperancers-------rswk00002125Kin-KiChariotrsrs----wk---00002149KoumokutenHermitrs--wk----rs-00002169LakshmiFortune--wkrs----rs-00002119Leanan SidheLovers--wk--rsrs---00002120Nigi MitamaTemperance----wk---rsrs00002119OniStrengthrsrs--------00002017OrobasHierophant-----rs--wkrs0000212PixieLovers-wk-wkrs---rswk00002310AndrasDevil-wkwkrs------00001211ApsarasPriestess---rswk-----00001131Ara MitamaChariotrs--wk------0000111ArseneFool---wk----wkrs0000124BicornHermit----wk----rs00001150DakiniEmpress--rs-------00001076FutsunushiMagicianrs------wk--0000115IncubusDevil-wk--rs---wk-0000126KelpieStrength---rswk-----00001111KodamaStar--wkrs------00001111Koppa TenguTemperance---wk-rs--wk-00001214Kusi MitamaStrength--wk--rs----0000113MandrakeDeath--wk-rs-----0000119MokoiDeath----rswk----00001117NekomataMagician----wk-rs---0000118ObariyonFoolrs---wk-----00001126OrpheusFool----wk---rswk00001229Orpheus PicaroFool----wk---rswk0000126Saki MitamaLovers---rswk-----00001124SandmanMagician----wkrs----00001162SeiryuTemperance---rs---wk--00001128SetantaEmperor------wkrs--0000116SilkyPriestess--wkrswk-----00001210SlimeChariotrs-wk--wk----00001220YaksiniEmpress---rs---wk--00001131ZouchoutenStrengthrs----wk----00001193LuciferStar--------wk-000001
So after I beat the game, I did some snooping around for Persona skillsets in Persona 5 and apparently there's 3 skills that are exclusive to Public Executions:
Mage's Gift - 25% Boost to all damage dealing magic
Almighty Boost - 25% Boost to almighty attacks (Alternatively available from the Messiah DLC)
Almighty Amp - 50% Boost to almighty attacks
These can all stack by the way
So have fun reloading
Oh, no wonder I hadn't seen them yet. Hopefully, you can transfer them with gallows/fusion.
I was thinking something along the lines of Shiva with reflect for physical, gun, fire, wind, and nuke, which would basically make it immune to everything except Almighty. That leaves three skills. Might go with Megidolaon, Almighty Amp, and Debilitate. Of course, still vulnerable to almighty which seems to be pretty common among later bosses. I'm tempted to replace one of the less common type reflects (eg. wind, gun) with Spell Master because if I'm only using Megidolaon I'd go through MP pretty quickly. Like you said, not necessary to finish the game though.
Thoughts/rant on the traitor
Spoiler: Palace 7
I don't know what to make of Goro. So he was against Shido the entire time, and he waits around until after he gets elected to make his move? Note that this is after Shido tells Goro to kill all the people who knew about his "hit for hire" business. He had to know that Shido was at least considering offing him too if he's that cautious. He could have killed Shido immediately after getting super powers and instead uses them to help him, knowing what Shido is capable of? wtf? I guess it's to improve his image or something by creating causes himself then solving them but he didn't really need Shido for that, did he?
Not to mention, after the sixth palace, he could have ratted out the entire phantom thieves, not just Joker, but decided not to. His real enemy was Shido. If his goal was to just prevent the phantom thieves from interfering with his work/knowing about the metaverse, it'd have made sense to go after all of them. If his goal is to get Shido, he should have just gone after Shido first. Just getting Joker doesn't make all that much sense.
On top of that, he's a detective and he doesn't find Futaba messing around with his phone suspicious? At least he's consistently oblivious, I guess? Maybe you could argue it's a character trait like it is with Ann but I think he's supposed to be smart.
On the Phantom Thieves part, wasn't this entire "pretend to be captured" plan extremely risky? What if the other Phantom thieves got caught? What if Joker got killed in the struggle? What if the towers didn't have good enough cell phone signal access? What if Goro leaked all their identities? What if the cops found out Joker's identity and went after him in his home just to ensure he's actually dead? Lucky for them it worked but IMO they should have just killed Goro on the spot.
I was a little disappointed with Goro being the traitor. If they didn't telegraph that there would be a traitor from the start it'd be different. We wouldn't be expecting someone to betray us, but given the way they built up the story just getting betrayed wasn't shocking, since they already told us that, so the whole shock value was in WHO was doing the betraying, and Goro seemed like the most obvious person to do it on the list.
I've gotten back into Persona 4 Golden. So far, I liked 5 much more. There are redeeming factors, I like the story and characters in Persona 4 more. They seem more relatable to me. Though for most other aspects of gameplay I prefer 5.
It seems like every major boss fight so far (eg. the shadow characters) have involved a good deal of grinding in order for me to get to a level that was viable to face them. I thought maybe I was over grinding at first and there was an easier way to handle them but when I search online through guides and message board posts it seems like I'm getting up to the level they suggest after grinding. Fortunately, I've run into several of the wealth hands which makes grinding easier. I really miss the negotiation part, that was one of the best aspects of Persona 5 and SMT IV.
The dungeons feel repetitive to navigate. All I'm doing is going up floor after floor. You can't just skip between levels or areas once you get to them. If you have a Goho-M You can go to the most recently visited or bottom but I want to grind on mid levels. In order to do that, I have to either treck back down from the top or treck back up from the bottom and once I'm there I have to either use a Goro-M which resets my "resume point" or manually walk back down to the bottom.
Also, if you run out of Goro-M on a high level and you're not ready to proceed to the boss you're in trouble. There's no save point or rest system like in Persona 5. At least they give you a better supply of magic increasing items throughout the dungeon though.
I also miss the icon that tells you where confidants(social links in this game) are. Eventually, with memorization, I can get a general idea of where they are but I don't always know what days they're available so I have to go through each area and manually check. Plus, as far as I can tell the party ones are the only ones that give you abilities.
I'm using what I got. I don't have access to a huge amount of buffs at the moment and they're all just for one character so it's not always efficient to use. I mostly use MC's attack to lower enemy's defense. I don't think any amount of buffs is going to compensate for having around 70% of the levels I'm supposed to.
Persona 5 anime
I wasn't expecting this but I guess it's not a bad idea.
Now we just need Dante
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