Considering replacing xat chat with built in shoutbox

Discussion in 'Questions Assistance & Feedback' started by Sykikal, Apr 14, 2014.

  1. Shadow

    Shadow ಠ_ಠ

    I could take the time and energy to make a real reply to this but I don't really care. You wanted good arguments for it, I gave them to you. Either use them or don't. If you want to continue hoping advertising on a flash chat website that is slowly dying itself then go right ahead.

    Lavitz, you need to calm yo'self

    "I am calm?"

    It's called tone and diction. I tried to be as nice as I could while still getting my point across. I'm sorry if you feel the need to have that attitude with me. I was willing to offer even more suggestions and general help than I already have (to Sy)

    I tried to express that I know how long you guys have been at it and it's easy to see how that can be discouraging. You immediately shot down the idea to try advertising on Reddit. That's the negativity I'm talking about but regardless, that is offtopic for here and not what this thread is about so I'd hope you don't try to continue this in this thread (or Xat)
  2. Sykikal

    Sykikal Very mentally stable admin Staff Member

    The goal here is to evaluate all the advantages and disadvantages and then come to a decision about what is best for VGI. Hearing the counter arguments or the opposing viewpoint is a good way to reach that goal. My hope is that we continue to argue until you convince me or I convince you. I am using your arguments, in the sense that I'm taking your opinion into consideration along with everyone else's. If you still disagree with us, and you care enough about VGI to explain why, I'd like you to continue the argument. If you don't care what happens to VGI one way or the other then there's not much about this thread that would matter to you anyway.

    I'm still open to your suggestions.

    What Lavitz said was for us to go ahead and advertise on reddit, and we did. He just said that he didn't think us making a subreddit would draw any new traffic to VGI, and it hasn't yet.
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  3. Lavitz

    Lavitz Inactive Staff Member

    You need to stop telling people what to do. Every time I give my opinion on something you try to start an argument about something and then you tell me to calm down.
  4. CROWley

    CROWley Inactive

    Exactly! Xat obviously isn't working, it's pulling attention away from the forums. If we switch to the new chat then all the traffic will be on the forums themselves. Even if A few people don't post. Why should VGI be held back by people like Dam who doesn't even use the forums. What good is he to VGI? He's not helping it grow and he doesn't do jack as A mod on the chat anyway. I suggest keeping at the YouTube thing.

    I know A forums community of modders, they're all fans of one guy who got his start on YouTube. His forums uses A shoutbox and the forums and chat have been active for years. I think if we can get more people involved in YouTube video's maybe we could draw some attention. Stop looking at past failures and being discouraged. A society that looks up, goes up. A society that looks down, goes down.

    I just asked on the chat, it isn't just me. The forums have been more active lately. Let's keep it that way. I'm really liking the discussion threads, why talk about something exclusively in the chat when we can utilize the forums as well?
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  5. Sykikal

    Sykikal Very mentally stable admin Staff Member

    I think you misunderstood what I was getting at. Xat was the one constant and the only reliable source of visitors on VGI. It was all that other stuff I suggested that wasn't working. My general notion is that everyone who actively participates helps the site in someway. Even if he doesn't sign up, he might get discussion started which attracts more people and gets them signed up.

    Getting the YouTube more active is something I've wanted to do. Most people have intermittent schedules, lack the software, or just aren't willing to help do the lets plays with me. I suppose I could do it on my own, but it just seems ironic that you agreed with the notion that I have to realize when what I'm doing isn't working, but you would also say I shouldn't let past failures discourage me. Aren't those two contradictory mindsets? Me looking up for all those years didn't really do much for activity.

    It's a trade off. I lose some forum traffic to the chat, but some forum traffic is generated solely because of the chat.
  6. CROWley

    CROWley Inactive

    Splitting activity between two sites for all those years and relying on activity from Xat didn't do much for activity either. You shouldn't let past failures get to you. Drop the Xat chat which obviously isn't working. Don't let the fact that Xat isn't working discourage you. If we all left because the forums didn't constantly have new members there wouldn't be A VGI.

    We're all still going to be here, we always have been. Sure more members would be nice, but it won't happen right away. All us old members will still be here to chat and with the forums getting more active new members will have A reason to stay. If new members click the new posts tab and see no new posts then they think the forums are dead. If they see an active forums and forums chat they might be more inclined to stick around. As I also said before, if we're all huddled up on the forums, we should be more likely to get noticed by search engines.
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  7. Shadow

    Shadow ಠ_ಠ

    1. Didn't start any argument
    2. You always come with the attitude or sarcasm so I tell you to calm down so it doesn't turn into some kind of argument, this is such a stupid thing to argue about
    3. I'm not telling anyone what to do unless you're referring to the "calm down" comment in which case then you remind me of my 5 yr old cousin who when given advice always tells me (and anyone else) to stop telling him what to do.
    4. Sy is right you did (at the very end) tell us to do what we want and go ahead with it but you shot it down when it was brought up with "It won't work" because obviously you've tried it before? Past experience from other options doesn't dictate new methods.

    Hmm posting on Reddit didn't draw any new traffic? Well lets see here what was done, oh yeah nothing. We were in favor of trying to make a space for VGI on reddit and after it was shot down numerous times you finally just settled with "Might as well make it to claim the name for future use" because that's all we could get you to do. I had to convince you to make an intro post and even in that you make it sound like just a hangout spot for groupies, not a serious official video game forum. You haven't even went around Reddit advertising it. You all seem to fear Reddit.

    Feel free to correct me if I'm actually wrong here on anything, this is my view and I don't mean to insult anyone here at all, just speaking my mind for a minute. It does go off topic so I will put them in spoiler tags so people don't have to read it.

    I've always felt the big issue here is this forum grew out of a group of select "friends" who like to play video games (read: Nintendo, Pokemon and JRPGS) from a select library of games/genres and platforms. A forum was made as a hangout spot and you probably even got excited about it for a time and thought it could grow big, when it didn't blow up after a few years due to lack of content, knowledge, nice and welcoming forum members etc you gave up on it and are now content and accepting of it how it is with just a hope that someday it might grow big. However you named the forum Video Game INFO as in information, what information besides a few articles that people can read better elsewhere do we really have here? Everyone needs to broaden their horizon on the games they play and learn more about the history and industry of games as a whole if Video Game INFO is never going to take off as a respectable place of video game information. I guess maybe I never really asked what you mean by info, like what kind of "information" about video games are you talking about? Maybe I have it wrong

    Sy, I love you buddy but you don't know a whole lot about technology or video games and you're trying to run a forum/site for information pertaining to that specifically. Yes other members will know more than you but they don't often post anything information related (check the in progress review section for some terrible examples) some of Lavitz's tutorials are pretty cool and great but most topics are just idle chit chat or worse arguments (not debates) and neither make the site look all that pleasing.

    Right now you're at the mercy of content from the few members that join. I remember being a member of a hacking forum run by a guy who didn't have a clue about hacking, the forum was quickly bought out and taken over by someone who knew what they were doing and it's awesome now. Opinions are not taken lightly here, a lot of people are very bias and quick to argue and I'll even admit I can be too. Jokes are taken way too far and never dropped.

    Lavitz's you can be a pretty okay guy, a bit too private, always got the feeling from the get-go that you didn't like me but you appeared to be worshiped by everyone else so I'd give you that respect. Until it seemed you wanted to be overly sarcastic with me, bring up topics to spite me in chat, mock me etc. I don't wish to get on yours or anyones bad side but I have a low tolerance for bullshit and will defend myself, maybe even to a fault.

    I still like you as a person but you gotta cut out this moody sarcasm act bud. You seem like you know your stuff though I do know you were wrong on some things and saw you admit it on occasion and I respect that when someone can admit they were wrong. When you and I tend to argue though it goes nowhere because we're just trying to convince each other of our side and we're not going to budge so it's pointless, which is why I prefer controlled debates about subjects we don't have a bias about.

    HaxAras, (if he reads this) you can be a really cool and understanding guy but you also have to try and cut out this tough guy act. Yeah maybe you don't care about anyone because of past issues but it's no reason to hurt people who really wanted to be your friend, I've pushed people away before and really wish I never did, they'd still be here if I didn't. I don't know about Lavitz or Miles but I know Sy and I still want to be your friend. However that means not purposely trying to hurt us for your entertainment. It'd be like walking up to someone who's a good friend and pushing him down so he sprains his ankle while you sit back and laugh.

    It wasn't called for, they were your friend, they had your back and you purposely hurt them for your own amusement. You know what would be more fun? Getting your group of friends together and raiding other chats and pissing off people you didn't know. I used to do that with my group of friends, fun as hell. Maybe I'll talk to you more about it later.

    You're really awesome to talk to on skype, text and voice and you're really awesome when you're talking about and trying to help out the forum, I love how involved you get but you remind me of those people who can be really nice when you're alone but as soon as you get them with other friends they change into assholes that will push you down to look cool in front of others. My sister is like that, I really like her and we get along fantastic alone but get her around her friends and she'll steal from me, use me and mock me in front of her friends like I'm nothing. It hurts and it's really confusing, as if life isn't complicated enough.

    Again I don't want to argue at all, just thought I'd be open and speak my mind for once here though can't say I'm not prepared to be torn apart for it.
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  8. Sykikal

    Sykikal Very mentally stable admin Staff Member

    There are two ways of looking at it. You can say "the forums aren't active and it is because xat is taking away the activity" or you can say "the forums aren't very active, but the only reason they're even moderately active is because of xat". The exact cause of the lack of activity isn't as obvious as you make it out to be.
  9. CROWley

    CROWley Inactive

    I keep looking at Xat as how VGI got started but it's long overdue for the forums to stand on their own. All the activity is on Xat, sure you lose A few useless members but the forums start to get more active in the process, seems like A fair trade to me.
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  10. Sykikal

    Sykikal Very mentally stable admin Staff Member

    Well, I suppose I did get a few hits from Reddit, just not as much as I was hoping for. I also posted a few things there.

    So, what do you think I should do with Reddit? How should I use Reddit to advertise the site? Should I just use it to link to articles here like I am already doing with Facebook and Twitter? Should I post original threads there? Should I duplicate my posts from here?

    This is a fair point. Though keep in mind it was six or seven years, not just a few. Also, I haven't just "given up" exactly. I'm not just sitting on my hands. I'm still taking effort to increase VGI's popularity, I just am skeptical that they'll work. I originally planned it as hints, tips, reviews, etc. See here for the original VGI site from 2006

    Then added the chat/forums later. There might be better names now but I'm not really inclined to change the name after I've already built up this one for so many years. I don't really see any benefit from changing it.

    I thought I did, everything is relative I suppose. There are tons of different video games, platforms, etc. I don't think anyone could reasonably be expected to know about all or even most of them. So, how much is enough? What more do I need to know? What areas do you think are most important that I lack?
  11. Shadow

    Shadow ಠ_ಠ

    I'll toss this in too

    Yeah I know I've been told over and over it was like 7 years, a few means 3 - 10

    And good god that was hidious :lol:. Looks a ton better now

    Play all kinds of games, read up on them, learn more about the technology and game history, if you need help with any of that let me know.
  12. Sykikal

    Sykikal Very mentally stable admin Staff Member

    I just bought the forum software. Give my wallet a break. I'll try the forumpromotion site.

    I was 14 at the time, cut me some slack. :'(

    I don't have enough hours in the day to play all kinds of games. I tend to check up on video game news every other day or so. I occasionally have looked at history related stuff. Yeah, I'm not really sure exactly what else I should be doing or in what frequency. I want your help with it.

    Will it be more activity? Will it be less? I guess time will tell. I don't like the notion that the members are useless just because they don't use the forum.
  13. Shadow

    Shadow ಠ_ಠ

    You asked, I was just providing.

    Lol I can just imagine a 14 yr old Sykikal, cute

    I don't either and I don't do shit all day. I play a game or two and focus on those for a bit, I just also read a shit ton and watch a lot of videos.
  14. Sykikal

    Sykikal Very mentally stable admin Staff Member

    I was hoping you had some free ways to utilize reddit.

    Can you give me more information? What do you read? Who do you watch? How often? What is the most important information I'm missing?
  15. CROWley

    CROWley Inactive

    *cough* Well, that word is A bit strong.

    If I piss people off while they're talking to me they'll argue with me. It much more fun to poke and watch.
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  16. Shadow

    Shadow ಠ_ಠ

    If you say so
  17. Shadow

    Shadow ಠ_ಠ

    That last one can be used to promote your sub

    I read a lot about the video games I play, I play a lot of different games. I learn the gist of how games are made (which unfortunately makes me more aware when something is fake and out of place) I watch channels like these in my spare time Spoilered to save space

    Game triva/facts

    Retro hardware and game reviews

    Game Theory

    Pokemon facts, trivia and glitches

    " Watch lengthy first impressions gameplay with honest and informative commentary. Get an idea about what you're getting into before you spend your money with "WTF is...", YouTube's most popular first impressions gaming series."

    He's a PC gamer but his WTF series is great for wanting to learn more about the popular indie games going around.

    "Extra Credits makes video game design approachable by exploring concepts like gamification, perfect imbalance, the skinner box, the uncanny valley, and more"

    He has a good "How games work" and "16-bit Gems" Series.

    He's an easter egg hunter, pretty much talks about easter eggs in a lot of games

    Video game lore in a minute (or so)

    Another Retro game review channel (LGR is by far my favorite though)

    Video game Death Battles

    RTU for most video game news stories

    TwinPerfect has an EXCELLENT series going in depth and giving you the whole story on Silent Hill called "The REAL Silent Hill Experience"

    More retro views (love them)

    And this ass because he has some funny and interesting video game related stuff

    As for what I read, it depends. If I'm playing a game (I usually use steam) I take a look at the guide sections for any tips or fun info. I read wiki's or watch reviews about the game regardless. History wise I pick a game series (like GTA) and find out how it came to be and how it did (or didn't) impact the industry and how it got its roots. If you want it I have an ebook copy of
    The Ultimate History of Video Games: From Pong to Pokemon and Super Mario: How Nintendo Conquered America

    This is a good site too (besides skimming wikipedia)

    I also read the dev diaries like GTA and Thief Gold

    For games, I love giving new games a try. I come across a lot from Humble Bundles and Bundle Stars. They're cheap so I don't have to spend a bunch trying a new game. I'm also gifted a lot of games too. I like just about every kind of game too except MOBAs for the most part but I still play Dota on and off (mostly off)

    I can't really recommend any indies games for consoles to try (in my experience most console indie games sucked and felt cheap or a plain ripoff of another game) If you need some good PC indie game recommendations then let me know.

    For game news mostly Reddit, Facebook and Youtube

    I also google stuff a LOT if I don't understand it and read on how things work like this

    Well all that should start you off. :up:

    (Maybe this should be its own thread for ways to keep up on video game information?)
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  18. Sykikal

    Sykikal Very mentally stable admin Staff Member

    Okay, I've made my decision. I'm going to switch to the shoutbox. I'm leaving the xat chat open for a day or two while I get things set up. After that, I'm reseting and switching the chat to members only. I might stay there and leave a moderator or two on just to tell people to go to the forums.
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